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On 3 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to NFL. The result of the discussion was All articles except main article and timeline article moved..
I agree with this and have made the change, although another person then reverted it on the theory that the NFL uses "clubs." As anyone who edits Wikipedia knows, the league's usage is not controlling—the rule is to use the terminology most seen in common usage. I don’t see how anyone can seriously dispute that in American English the normal term is "teams," except perhaps among some soccer fans who persist in using other odd terminology like "kit" when they mean "uniform" and "match" when they mean "game." 1995hoo (talk) 01:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has been "Club" for over a decade now, as a good article. The proper term is "Club". The league always uses this term when referring to the organizations. We need to be accurate when referring to things - it's not a matter of WP:COMMONNAME, it's a matter of basic accuracy. "Club", "franchise", "team" - all of these have meanings. Using them incorrectly can confuse, but more importantly, it's simply not accurate. "Club" is the organization itself, "franchise" is the slot in the league, and "team" is the actual team out on the field; see, for example, the Carolina Panthers website, where "Team" links to the roster listing. See, as an example, this recent NFLPA report, which uses "club" to refer to the organization and "team" to refer to the team on the field. Team and club are not the same thing. That being said - the article, as it is right now, is inconsistent in usage, and this should be corrected. ToaNidhiki0501:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s 10:00 at night, so I’m not going to think about it further tonight. But I believe your analysis, while "technically" accurate as a matter of word definitions, is unnecessarily hypertechnical because there is no doubt that the commonly used, and widely understood, term is "teams." No reader will be remotely confused by the use of "teams," which is also consistent with the usage in all the other North American major leagues' articles (even MLS, where I’d expect people to be militant about using British terminology). I sincerely doubt this word is even remotely relevant to good article status. 1995hoo (talk) 02:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not British terminology. It's the terminology the league uses, and has always used. There are exceptions - we don't call the "extra point" the "try", for example - but it's not like "club" is unknown. ToaNidhiki0502:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The NBA, NHL, MLB, and MLS pages all have a section titled Teams, not Clubs. So, using the definition that teams only refers to the actual players on the field, then shouldn't the other pages be updated too? After all, why should the NFL page be unique in this sense? Alielmi1207 (talk) 17:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with using "teams" as the common term. Overly technical pedantry is irrelevant in what word to use in the header, as it'll both are completely accurate. That is to say, even if we conceded a distinction between the organization and the playing squad, the material in the chart is applicable to both. Consistency with other major North American sports leagues should be maintained (yes, even the CFL uses "teams"). The fact that this gets changed periodically and is changed back by one editor tells me that there's some WP:OWN going on here. oknazevad (talk) 17:43, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not an accurate term. A handful of Wikipedia editors who genuinely do not know what they are talking about doesn't make a commonname. ToaNidhiki0522:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is not an appropriate reply to charges of WP:OWN. If you look at the "Statements" section of WP:OWN, you'll see your statement smacks of the sort (that is, the sort—certainly not an exact match) of impermissible comments shown in examples 3 ("I'm an expert on the subject. If you have any suggestions, please put them in the talk page and I will review them.") and 6 ("I can see nothing wrong with the article and there is no need to change anything at all."). Your statement essentially boils down to, "I'm right on this issue and nobody else can change the article because I will revert it." I don't mean the following to sound rude, but your comments raise a question: Who, other than your own ipse dixit, says you know what you are talking about? 1995hoo (talk) 12:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, given your argument is "Toa is correct as a matter of fact but I think it should be teams anyway", I think you already have admitted I'm correct here, no? ToaNidhiki0513:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Practically every other sports league page has a section titled "Teams", not "Clubs", among them being the NBA, NHL, MLB, MLS, CFL, and WNBA. So, this page should be consistent with the others to avoid confusion. Alielmi1207 (talk) 06:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that club may be the accurate term for soccer, as there are several teams with FC in their name (C for Club), and perhaps for hockey, as we now have the Utah Hockey Club, but not for football, since the former Redskins were known as the Washington Football Team for a couple years. Alielmi1207 (talk) 16:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Toa Nidhiki05 If you refer to nfl.com, nba.com, nhl.com, and mlb.com, they all have a listing for "Teams" under their pull-down menu. Only mlssoccer.com refers to it as "Clubs". So, I don't understand how you're concluding that it should be "Clubs" for the NFL. Alielmi1207 (talk) 03:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like we have a single editor displaying WP:OWN tendencies and potentially throwing borderline personal attacks (quote, " A handful of Wikipedia editors who genuinely do not know what they are talking about …"). You should feel free to change the article if you wish. 1995hoo (talk) 13:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How can we be in the wrong when I have pointed out that the league's official website (www.nfl.com) refers to Teams and not Clubs? Would creating an RfC page to get others' opinions as well be sufficient in resolving this issue once and for all? Alielmi1207 (talk) 17:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The member club shall be held in a separate corporation, partnership, or trust (the “Football Company”), the primary purpose of which shall at all times be and remain the operation of a professional football team as a member club of the League, which such primary purpose shall not be changed, and the only material asset of which shall be the member club.
In other words: the league awards franchises to clubs, who field teams. The proper term for the organizations themselves are "clubs". Referring to the organizations themselves as "teams" is not accurate. The league is composed of clubs, not teams. ToaNidhiki0520:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]